tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post8819137471926410810..comments2023-03-31T09:21:13.471-05:00Comments on The Fourth Strike: Why Our Babies Sleep On Their BelliesRoberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-87855481920817152752009-01-25T21:28:00.000-06:002009-01-25T21:28:00.000-06:00TSC--Thanks for a very well written and supported ...TSC--<BR/><BR/>Thanks for a very well written and supported comment.<BR/><BR/>Aside from all the research you present you also bring up and excellent point about babies that spend the vast majority of their time supine. This absolutely disturbs the formation of the cervical curve, leading to forward head posture and a straight neck. This tractions the spinal cord and irritates the nerve roots--which actually changes the neurology. This improper neurology tends to lower the amount of propioceptive information transmitted to the cerebellum. That's an issue because it's actually trophic to both the cerebellum and in turn the frontal cortex.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-41028796453595392812009-01-25T21:00:00.000-06:002009-01-25T21:00:00.000-06:00Great Post! I'm against the Back to Sleep Campaig...Great Post! I'm against the Back to Sleep Campaign for a number of reasons:<BR/>1-It inhibits Slow Wave Sleep (SWS) which is believed to be when most infants die of SIDS. SWS is also when memory consolidation occurs in infants and if you inhibit that you inhibit learning, memory, etc.<BR/>2-The SIDS Task Force is led by Dr. John Kattwinkel who had a 3 day old daughter die in 1966. He's very passionate but I think he's too biased in terms of preventing SIDS and doesn't look at the negative impact.<BR/>3-Infants who sleep supine compared to infants who sleep in the prone position are statistically significantly more likely to have the following: <BR/>- Social skills delays at 6 months (Dewey, Fleming, et al, 1998) <BR/>- Motor skills delays at 6 months (Dewey, Fleming, et al, 1998) <BR/>- increased rates of gastroesophageal reflux (GER) (Corvaglia, 2007) <BR/>- Below norm AIMS scores (Majnemer, Barr, 2005) <BR/>- Milestone delays (Davis, Moon, et al., 1998)<BR/>In addtion supin sleep also increases the duration of sleep apnea episodes during REM sleep at both 2.5 months and 5 months (Skadberg, Markestad, 1997) <BR/>- 6% decrease in sleep duration (Kahn, Grosswasser, et al.,1993) <BR/>Also,<BR/>- 1 in 300 infants had plagiocephaly in 1974 (Graham, Gomez, et al., 2005) <BR/>- 1 in 60 infants had plagiocephaly in 1996 (Graham, Gomez, et al., 2005) <BR/><BR/>Personally, I think in the most severe cases where parents just have their infants on their backs say over 23 hours a day and the child develops emotional problems and motor skills issues it's possible the child may be diagnosed with mild autism. Considering the Autism Epidemic Timeline and Parental Demographics parallels the Back to Sleep Campaign Timeline and Parental Demographics I'm concerned that their may be a conncetion. I know that Correlation does not equal Causation but I also do not believe in coincidences.How the SIDS Back to Sleep Campaign Caused the Autism Epidemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01487876582056463167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-71186007396044293542009-01-19T15:11:00.000-06:002009-01-19T15:11:00.000-06:00Bill--It's a good point you make. An ounce of pre...Bill--<BR/><BR/>It's a good point you make. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure, so therefore 2 ounces must be even better, right?<BR/><BR/>We're definitely not on a barn-storming crusade to turn all babies to their bellies--far from it. But it is one less thing I worry about, prone or supine, whatever works best at the moment. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-30292045650108012452009-01-19T14:49:00.000-06:002009-01-19T14:49:00.000-06:00It appears as though the only reason you want your...It appears as though the only reason you want your son to sleep on his stomach is so that he will sleep better (longer). As a father of 4, believe me, I understand.<BR/><BR/>But millions of babies sleep fine on their backs (supine). This simple intervention has a protective effect for SIDS, positional asphyxia, etc. with no significant negative effects. <BR/><BR/>Why wouldn't you take the steps you already have and combine it with a safer sleep position?<BR/><BR/>Supine babies will sleep nearly as well as prone, especially if swaddled properly (do not swddle a prone baby for obvious reasons!) After the first few months, sleep shouldn't be an issue either way.<BR/><BR/>Good luck.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12937984224161365268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-83840799611296246902009-01-19T11:36:00.000-06:002009-01-19T11:36:00.000-06:00A few things:That is the cutest freakin' baby! (ah...A few things:<BR/><BR/>That is the cutest freakin' baby! (ahem sorry I lost my man hood for a moment, but really the baby is cute)<BR/><BR/>Also, thank you for posting that, I will pass that on to my fiance because for a long time now I have been debating what to do when her and I have children. I am not a fan a vaccinations, I do not like them, nor do I see them absolutely necessary. A lot of hospitals do it automatically at birth...I am assuming this did not happen with your children. <BR/><BR/>Also I did not know any of that about the C1 and C2 with babies, believe me I will remember that forever. <BR/><BR/>On another note, I am glad you confirmed my thoughts on breast milk vs formula. When I got my first degree I did a lot of studying about early childhood development and this was a debate we had. I said that breast milk would be inherently better for the baby since it came from the mother, was not full of garbage put in by a company, and builds the mother child bond because of the skin contact. Some of my classmates said that it none of that mattered, but the professor largely agreed with me.<BR/><BR/>Anyone...great post and I will be sure to pass it on to those who need it (if you do not mind of course)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06883149419204928738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-42669361805662964072009-01-19T11:03:00.000-06:002009-01-19T11:03:00.000-06:00About a month ago I was on a message board and one...About a month ago I was on a message board and one woman had this quote in her signature: "No matter what parenting decision you make, there is someone out there just waiting to tell you what an idiot you are."<BR/><BR/>You can't win with some people.Curdiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13759610645604450828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-61767269364362324562009-01-19T09:02:00.000-06:002009-01-19T09:02:00.000-06:00Sorry George, one more thought.I believe I mention...Sorry George, one more thought.<BR/><BR/>I believe I mentioned what I was posting was an opinion--again I refer you to the ground rules (#2 in fact).<BR/><BR/>However, as a healthcare professional, I am entitled to just such an opinion. And the general public, in theory, come to me for that opinion. It's comes with the degrees. To quote a popular movie, you see, "I'm kind of a big deal." ;)Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-86833895273142973762009-01-19T08:47:00.000-06:002009-01-19T08:47:00.000-06:00George--Thanks for your comment. From the tone of...George--<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment. From the tone of your writing you certainly seem like a reasonably intelligent person. I guess that's why I'm a tad bewildered. You make a nice sweeping dismissal of my post, stating you can't see a single fact, yet I see that it's rife with them. For example--<BR/><BR/>Dairy products cause inflammation--fact.<BR/>Vaccines cause inflammation--fact.<BR/>Breast milk reduces inflammation--fact.<BR/>Inflammation drives sympathetics--fact.<BR/>Birth trauma can result in upper cervical injury--fact.<BR/>Upper cervical injury can lead to anoxic injury--fact.<BR/>Chiropractic is uniquely suited to address upper cervical injury--fact.<BR/>Autopsy of SIDS babies often demonstrate upper cervical injury--fact.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure I missed a few there, but that's a good start.<BR/><BR/>I think my favorite part of your comment though is where you ominously warn that my children are the ones in need of luck--with the implication that I'm gambling with their lives.<BR/><BR/>It's an unfortunate insult--I mean we're not even friends. It's also exactly the type of thing I warned against in the ground rules of this post. You're welcome to present your opinion and supporting thoughts, but personal insults like that will get any further comments rejected rather than published.<BR/><BR/>Thank you and have a good day.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-56102636482117661402009-01-19T06:14:00.000-06:002009-01-19T06:14:00.000-06:00Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously wrote "everyone i...Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously wrote "everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts."<BR/>It's early in the morning, but I didn't see one fact in your post, at least not one substantiated by medical literature, just expressions of opinions.<BR/>As C notes, opinion absent facts can produce results that seem absurd once the facts are apparent.<BR/>She also refers to "survivor's bias": those who survive get to tell their story, those who are dead don't. It results in stories about how you're safe if you don't wear seat belts, if your parents didn't use a car seat, and they didn't put you to sleep on your back. Absent facts, all you have is luck. Good luck to you, but more importantly, to your kids.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04197799007841743117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-11623615657255574002009-01-18T23:02:00.000-06:002009-01-18T23:02:00.000-06:00My kids are older and we were always told to put t...My kids are older and we were always told to put them on their bellies so the wouldn't choke if the happened to spit up while sleeping. My grandma also blew cigar smoke in my mother's ears when she had earaches. It's a wonder we all made it through childhood!<BR/>p.s. your children are adorable.Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07806866371476139954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-43461318159343020002009-01-18T18:26:00.000-06:002009-01-18T18:26:00.000-06:00Well stated. Thank you. My 7 month old has also ...Well stated. Thank you. <BR/>My 7 month old has also been adjusted since birth, is breast fed and not vaccinated. She sleeps very well on her stomach and I have always felt safe with her being there.JKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17639282716698423550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-20074156501519400052009-01-18T16:35:00.000-06:002009-01-18T16:35:00.000-06:00Andrea--Whew! I am so very glad to read your comm...Andrea--<BR/><BR/>Whew! I am so very glad to read your comment. I really hoped you would take what I wrote the way I intended, and it sounds like you did. Thank you!<BR/><BR/>I by no means know everything, and I've been wrong my share of the time. I try to keep an open mind and listen to new info as it becomes available. I think it's dangerous to make a decision and then stick by it no matter what, without re-evaluating along the way.<BR/><BR/>I think my favorite thing about this whole exchange is the fact that you care enough to say something!! Thank you!!!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00243748655669695310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4173967129517609098.post-72605371676114167262009-01-18T16:27:00.000-06:002009-01-18T16:27:00.000-06:00Awesome! Thanks for sharing all that. It's hard to...Awesome! Thanks for sharing all that. It's hard to change current health trends, but it helps to know a little more. See, I knew that you know what you're doing. :) I agree with so many points you brought up. I'm sure preventing SIDS is not as simple as keeping a baby on his back, and as naive as my first comment might have sounded to you who has so much more knowledge, it has occurred to me that the SIDS diagnosis doesn't actually say much, and that it's what they say when they have nothing else to tell the poor parents. Now I know--it's more about alignment and what happens to the spinal cord (inflammation) than just simply keeping the kid off his tummy. Got it :)<BR/><BR/>When your professional work gets published I'm going to ask for an autograph, and I will use it with my future nursing students because you're very easy to understand :)andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281380058461745911noreply@blogger.com